Proposed changes to buses in South-East London for the opening of the Elizabeth Line

Closed 17 Sep 2017

Opened 3 Jul 2017

Overview

The Elizabeth line serves Abbey Wood and Woolwich from December 2018.

We have reviewed bus routes serving Abbey Wood and Woolwich, looking at how the introduction of the Elizabeth line will impact travel habits, the overall bus demand in the area as well as and other factors such as new developments.

As a result, we are proposing to introduce a new bus route – numbered route 301 –and make some changes to routes 129, 161, 178, 180, 244, 291, 469, 472 and B11

Our proposals range in scale depending on the route to help us better match future demand with space available on the bus. We have detailed the proposed change by route and then further down provided our rationale. We welcome your views on any or all of the details as set out below.

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What are we proposing?

New route 301
We propose to introduce a new bus route running between Bexleyheath and Woolwich town centre, running serving Bexleyheath Market Place, Long Lane, Brampton Road, Knee Hill, Harrow Manorway, Bentham Road, Central Way, Nathan Way, Plumstead Road and Beresford Street to terminate at Woolwich Ferry roundabout.

The new route would use high capacity single deck buses. Buses would run every 12 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, and every 15 minutes each evening and all day on Sunday.

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Route B11 
The route currently runs between Bexleyheath and Thamesmead town centre, with buses every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday and every 30 minutes on Sunday.

Our proposal is to shorten the route so that it runs between Bexleyheath and South Thamesmead (Yarnton Way/Harrow Manorway roundabout). It would no longer run between South Thamesmead and Thamesmead town centre.

We also propose to change how often buses run. On Monday to Saturday throughout the day, buses would run every 20 minutes. Sunday frequencies would remain the same.

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Route 472
Route 472 currently operates between North Greenwich and Thamesmead town centre. The route operates about every 6 minutes during peak times. On Saturday buses run around every 7-8 minutes and every 10 minutes on Sunday. The route runs as a 24 hour a day service with buses running every 30 minutes each night.

We propose to restructure the route to run between North Greenwich station and Abbey Wood station via Western Way and Crossway. It would no longer serve Bentham Road or Nathan Way. The existing short journeys between North Greenwich and Charlton would continue to run.

We are also proposing to change the frequency of route 472, so that it runs about every 8 minutes on Monday to Friday daytimes. On Saturdays, buses would run around every 10 minutes and on Sundays, buses would be about every 12 minutes. There would be no change to how often buses run at other times, with the route continuing to run as a 24 hour a day service. 

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Route 129
Route 129 operates between North Greenwich and Greenwich Town centre with buses running every 8 minutes during Monday to Friday peak hours, every 12 minutes at other times on Monday to Friday daytime and on Saturday, and every 20 minutes on Sundays.

We are proposing to extend route 129 from Greenwich town centre to Lewisham town centre serving Nelson Road, Greenwich High Road, Green South Street, Lewisham Road, Lewisham High Street to terminate at Molesworth Street (following the current route 180 routeing).

We are also proposing to change how often route 129 runs during Monday to Friday peak hours, so that buses run about every 12 minutes. Frequencies at other times would remain unchanged.

Route 180
Route 180 currently operates between Belvedere and Lewisham with buses running every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, and every 15 minutes each evening and on Sunday.

We propose to change the route at Westcombe Hill so that it runs to North Greenwich station serving Peartree Way, Commercial Way, Southern Way and the Millennium Busway (West Parkside). It would no longer serve Woolwich Road (west of the A102), Trafalgar Road, Romney Road, Greenwich town centre, Greenwich High Road, Greenwich South Street, Lewisham Road and Lewisham town centre.

At the other end of route 180, we are also proposing to extend the route from Belvedere so that it serves Church Manorway, Lower Road, West Street, Erith town centre and Fraser Road to terminate at The Quarry, Erith, where a new development is under construction. It would no longer serve Fisher’s Way or Belvedere Industrial Estate.

We are not proposing to make any changes to how often buses run on this route. 

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Route 469
Route 469 operates between Woolwich Common and Erith with buses running every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime and every 20 minutes each evening and on Sunday.

We are proposing to re-structure the route between Belvedere and Abbey Wood so that it serves Picardy Road, Woolwich Road and New Road. It would no longer serve Picardy Street, Gilbert Road and Abbey Road. There would be no change to how often buses run.

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Routes 178, 244 and 291

Route 178 operates between Woolwich and Lewisham, with buses running every 20 minutes on all days of the week.

Route 244 runs between Woolwich Common and Abbey Wood, with buses running every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime and every 15 minutes each evening and on Sunday.

Route 291 operates between Woolwich Common and Woodlands Estate, with buses running every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime and every 15 minutes each evening and on Sunday.

All three routes currently use single deck buses. To provide more capacity for these busy routes, we are proposing to convert operation of the three routes to once again be  double deck buses. There would be no change to the current frequencies of the routes. We will be working closely with the local highway authorities to ensure measures to provide improved priority for buses are progressed ahead of the change.  

Route 161 
This route operates between North Greenwich and Chislehurst serving Charlton, Woolwich and Eltham. Buses run every 10 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime and every 12 minutes each evening and on Sunday.

We are proposing to reroute route 161 in Woolwich town centre. Towards North Greenwich buses would serve Thomas Street, Wellington Street, John Wilson Street, Woolwich Church Street to line of route. It would no longer serve Beresford Street.

This change would not affect buses towards Chislehurst, and there would be no change to how often buses run.

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Why make these changes?

Our review of bus services in Abbey Wood, Woolwich and the surrounding areas has identified places where demand is likely to change following the introduction of the Elizabeth line, as well as areas that have no direct bus link to the new Elizabeth line stations at present. We are proposing to make the changes outlined above in response to this.

The current bus links between Bexleyheath and Abbey Wood on routes B11 and 229 follow an indirect routeing. The introduction of route 301 would provide a high frequency, direct route, saving 10 minutes journey time compared to route 229 and seven minutes compared to route B11. In addition, it would create new bus links from the south-eastern section of Long Lane where there is currently no direct bus service to Abbey Wood – an estimated 1200 households would gain a direct connection.

Although we would be reducing the frequency of route B11, by introducing route 301 there would be an extra 4 buses an hour to the south of Abbey Wood on Brampton Road and Long Lane, while maintaining sufficient capacity elsewhere on route B11 such as the Hillsgrove Estate.

With extra capacity between Abbey Wood and Thamesmead via Bentham Road provided by route 301 and the conversion of route 244 to double deck buses, it would no longer be necessary for route B11 to serve Thamesmead town centre. Shortening route B11 so that it terminates at Yarnton Way should help to improve the reliability of the route over the remaining section. However this change would mean that customers who use route B11 to travel from Harrow Manorway and Thamesmead to areas to the south and east of Abbey Wood would need to change buses to complete their journey.

Route 472 currently provides the main connection between Thamesmead, Woolwich and North Greenwich. Once the Elizabeth line is running, we expect less people to travel by bus across Woolwich from Thamesmead to North Greenwich. The proposed frequency reduction of the 472 reflects this. Even with this reduction of frequency, the introduction of route 301 would mean that the number of buses between Thamesmead and Woolwich would stay about the same as they are now.

Similarly, the proposed diversion of route 180 to North Greenwich would mean that the total number of buses travelling between Woolwich and North Greenwich would remain broadly the same.

Diverting route 472 to run via Western Way would shorten journey times between Thamesmead and Woolwich by around two minutes compared to the current routeing via Nathan Way, which would served by route 301 instead. Extending route 472 to Abbey Wood station would create new links to North Greenwich from Abbey Wood and South Thamesmead. It would also provide an increase in capacity between the eastern side of Thamesmead and Abbey Wood, which would help to relieve crowding on route 229.

South east of Abbey Wood on the Woolwich Road corridor, route 99 would provide a link to the Elizabeth line at Woolwich. Diverting route 469 so that it serves Woolwich Road would create a more convenient connection to the Elizabeth line at Abbey Wood station, and at the same time free up capacity on route 99. Customers who currently use the 469 to travel from Abbey Road to areas west of Abbey Wood each day would need to use route 229 instead and change at Abbey Wood.

Extending route 180 to The Quarry, Erith would mean there are three bus routes running on the Erith, West Street – Abbey Wood corridor which would help to ensure there would be no capacity issues on Abbey Road or Woolwich Road. It would provide new links from the industrial areas on Church Manorway and the new Quarry development to the Elizabeth line. These changes would mean that route 180 would no longer serve Fisher’s Way.

At the other end of route 180, diverting the route to North Greenwich would mean that some passengers would have to change buses to complete their current journey. Most of these journeys are travelling to and from Lewisham and Greenwich town centres, where there are interchange options with other high frequency bus services.

Extending route 129 to Lewisham offers another interchange opportunity (at North Greenwich Millennium Retail Park) for customers who currently use route 180 wishing to travel to Greenwich and Lewisham. It would also provide an alternative to route 108 for passengers travelling between North Greenwich and Lewisham, while creating new links from North Greenwich to Greenwich South Street, Blackheath Hill and Lewisham Road.                

Route 291 serves the Woodlands Estate in Plumstead and we expect that this route will require extra capacity. Similarly, we forecast that we will need extra capacity on routes approaching Woolwich from the south, and in particular on the single deck routes 178 and 244.

Converting routes 178, 244 and 291 to double deck operation would provide a sufficient level of capacity on several corridors including Shrewsbury Lane, Shooters Hill and the Woodlands Estate. Double deck buses on route 244 would also provide additional capacity between Woolwich and Thamesmead, particuarly on the Bentham Road corridor following the proposed changes to route 472.

The proposed changes to route 161 towards North Greenwich would allow the Royal Borough of Greenwich to introduce major improvements to the pedestrain and cyclist crossing on Plumstead Road. Providing better links between Woolwich Arsenal station and the new Elizabeth line station and improving interchange in the town centre. It would no longer be possible for vehicles to turn left from Woolwich New Road into Beresford Street to achive this.

Areas

  • All Areas

Audiences

  • Anyone from any background

Interests

  • Bus route 1
  • Bus route 129
  • Bus route 161
  • Bus route 178
  • Bus route 180
  • Bus route 244
  • Bus route 291
  • Bus route 469
  • Bus route 472
  • Bus route B11